DUST Search - Why do so many pub scrubs only ever run MLT crap?

Monkey MAC wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Sollemnis Aelinos wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

I was the under the impression that the point of the game was to win. Better equipment improves your odds of that, and hoarding isk seems to only be a means to an end.

So realistically, it can be said that if you run cheap all the time you're really just being a horrible person.

*facepalm* guys...dunno how to respond to this interesting logic....

Tell me how you really feel.

Do you feel you have an obligation to try your best to win, within reason?

Or are you of the mentality that you have no obligation to your team and everybody can go **** themselves?

Your a mercanary, your job is whatever younwant it to be.
This holds no relevance to the gear used however.

My Adv Minmatar Fit
2x Extenders
1x Energizer
1x Plate
1x Repper

1x BK-42 ACR
1x M1204 ASMG

EHP: 480
Cost: 45,000 Isk

My Frontline Amarr Fit
2x Extender
1x BK-42 ACR
1x M1204 ASMG

EHP: 490
Cost 10,000 Isk

This means on average I am permitted to loose just 5 Adv suits before going ISK negative, while I can loose 20 frontline suits and still be in tne black.
Assuming an even match that comes down to about 5 clones left, you are looking at 9 deaths per person not accounting for snipers or logis who tip this scale.

So if Im about to run into a Squad of stompers where Im likely to die 10+ times because Im 1 of 5 people not AFKing do I run the expensive suit with lower survivability or the cheap frontline? Also you still fail to account for fights either side where you don't see the person.

Although I feel, your entire purpose was just to troll everyonr, in which thanks sucker, because my first statement is worth 20+ likes.


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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3671	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:21:00 - [1] - Quote I expect to see some folks run it because they are new and have no choice, but there's a shockingly high number of people who never actually edit any of their fittings, regardless of how long they've played. Is this due to A) Stupidity and lack of knowledge that customization is possible? B) Stupidity and lack of awareness that better equipment improves your odds of winning? C) Stupidity and lack of balls concerning the fear of loss? D) Stupidity and WHY ARE YOU DRIVING AWAY LET ME IN YOUR TANK DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3671	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:25:00 - [2] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: >All options begin with stupidity >DNS member making the thread DNS confirmed for stupidity. Hurp durp. Impossible. I run proto.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3671	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:26:00 - [3] - Quote I mean seriously why do we even need PvE these garbage players can't even do as well as the foot soldiers from Dynasty Warriors.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3671	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:28:00 - [4] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: >All options begin with stupidity >DNS member making the thread DNS confirmed for stupidity. Hurp durp. Impossible. I run proto. That's cool, then don't worry about what everyone else is doing. It's important for Economy that loss happens. And it's important for me to know you suffered.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3671	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:29:00 - [5] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: PubStomp using Adv gear: 350,000 ISK PubStomp using Frontline gear: 000,000 ISK Terminating an enemy Prototype Fit: Price less Isk is pointless if you never spend it.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3671	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:30:00 - [6] - Quote LT Dans Legs wrote: Not everyone has the luxury of squatting on districts for free ISK out the wazoo. If you die more than once in a pub with proto you LOSE money. Eventually becoming flat BROKE. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. Because it isn't true. You make the money back so long as your WP gain is high enough. Also it helps to not die.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3672	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:39:00 - [7] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: PubStomp using Adv gear: 350,000 ISK PubStomp using Frontline gear: 000,000 ISK Terminating an enemy Prototype Fit: Price less Isk is pointless if you never spend it. The question is why would I spend it against a proto wolfpack? Think about it, why bother wasting it. If you are asking why no one seems to bother putting up a fight, try runing solo once in a while, when you come across a wolfpack see just how much you loose. "Proto wolfpacks". Pffft. I run solo 99.9% of the time. You run advanced the majority of the time, run proto when you want to have some fun smacking people around. That's how you make money and kill those people.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3672	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote Why would you ever run militia heavy suits...to hell with how cheap it is, you don't even get the resistence bonus. What a garbage suit.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3675	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:05:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I expect to see some folks run it because they are new and have no choice, but there's a shockingly high number of people who never actually edit any of their fittings, regardless of how long they've played. Is this due to A) Stupidity and lack of knowledge that customization is possible? B) Stupidity and lack of awareness that better equipment improves your odds of winning? C) Stupidity and lack of balls concerning the fear of loss? D) Stupidity and WHY ARE YOU DRIVING AWAY LET ME IN YOUR TANK DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Not everyone happens to be in the largest alliance of players Molden Heath has every known who holistically dominate a massive passive ISK flow and will never need to worry about ISK ever again, use this knowledge and power to destroy the assets of those who aren't ensuring they don't have the ISK to make use of Proto content against them and force them into earning ISK by ensuring they play to a set value to get a marginal profit....... Fortunately I don't care...... I've been throwing away ISK and assets in the biggest ISK sink in the game for months now...... I'm choosing to be poor. That's a bullshit excuse. I've been running my same routine since before chromosome. And that's when heavies were expensive to run. You don't need the backing of an alliance to run non-militia gear. That's a joke.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3676	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:13:00 - [10] - Quote low genius wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: low genius wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I expect to see some folks run it because they are new and have no choice, but there's a shockingly high number of people who never actually edit any of their fittings, regardless of how long they've played. Is this due to A) Stupidity and lack of knowledge that customization is possible? B) Stupidity and lack of awareness that better equipment improves your odds of winning? C) Stupidity and lack of balls concerning the fear of loss? D) Stupidity and WHY ARE YOU DRIVING AWAY LET ME IN YOUR TANK DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR looking over your eve online fits, i'm not certain you're the guy to be calling people stupid. Show me them please. okay, but it's not going to be pretty. one sec. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21614834 if anyone has every seen a worse domi fit, please let me know. That domi fit successfully held off 5+ pilots simultaneously for more than a month straight because they were too scared to risk anything larger than a T1 frigate. It also managed to drop orbitals at the same time. It was a super situational fit for a situational opponent that had to do many things at once, and I dare say it's an incredibly good fit for that situation. If you want to talk trash, that's fine. My team needed orbital support and I had one account available to provide it with. I did it with the one ship using the one fit that could. If you want to talk trash about it, let's go into how long it took for your guys to actually grow a pair and do something about it?

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3676	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:28:00 - [11] - Quote Here, more links of my terrible fit killing "apparently superior" pilots. Remember guys, I don't even have a point on that thing. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21416885 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21298280 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21458191 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21460578 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21524904 (hawkin was so impressed with my fit he copied it and assisted me on this one) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21542444 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21614835 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21622702
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3677	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:32:00 - [12] - Quote TODDSTER024 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I expect to see some folks run it because they are new and have no choice, but there's a shockingly high number of people who never actually edit any of their fittings, regardless of how long they've played. Is this due to A) Stupidity and lack of knowledge that customization is possible? B) Stupidity and lack of awareness that better equipment improves your odds of winning? C) Stupidity and lack of balls concerning the fear of loss? D) Stupidity and WHY ARE YOU DRIVING AWAY LET ME IN YOUR TANK DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR A- i have around 25 different fittings. I'd rather loose a 450isk fitting than a 268k isk fitting B- its better teammates that help you win C- who really cares about k/d? Its a game D- i dont always let a blueberry ride in my LAV, but when i do... They steal it the second i get out If I create a video that proves you wrong on B, will you send me all of your isk so I can put it to better use?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3677	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:35:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: [...] I've never played EVE, but is there really a such thing as a bad fitting there? EVE is like rock paper scissors but a lot more complicated. If you are outnumbered or have the wrong fitting for a specific fight, then it was over before the fight even began. Bad fits are fits that can handle no situation, or handle a situation in an underwhelming fashion. Genius here is pissed off because my fit was so good it managed to screw his friends over for a month. It's a particularly painful point because the ship is loaded with warp core stabs, which basically negate someones attempt to warp scramble you but make it so you can't target anything or fight back. No one in their right mind fits a pvp ship with warp core stabs, thats like the worst fit ever! Or so the elitist paper pvp'rs would tell you, except I didn't need to target anything though, just drop orbitals. And I didn't need to fight back because my drones would do that for me the moment these clowns took any hostile action. And they always did. For a month straight.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3680	Posted - 2014.04.27 23:53:00 - [14] - Quote Currently scouts can survive longer than any opponent in the game due to radar+visual concealment, total situational awareness and first mover advantage. I would probably be rocking advanced the majority of the time as a novice, and switch to proto when i got good at it.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3682	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:00:00 - [15] - Quote danie braz wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: >All options begin with stupidity >DNS member making the thread DNS confirmed for stupidity. Hurp durp. Impossible. I run proto. id love to see dirt bag squad run adv fittings only for a day. I know most of you are elite. The other half are trolls. I'm an elite troll. How will you handle this magnificence?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3682	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:04:00 - [16] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I don't expect some one from DNS to understand loosing incredible amounts of isk and grinding back your lost money. When I loose lots of dropships and they don't survive any games and don't make me any money back then I hvpave to run sh-ítty cheap gear to make some money for another one. And I don't expect you to understand that I go isk positive from pubs the majority of the time, so any point you raised regarding being part of DNS is made moot.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3683	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:16:00 - [17] - Quote Once upon a time there was a poor scrublet named Himiko (this would be a good place to end the story for most but I'll keep going). Himiko played on keyboard and mouse, because rawr PC gaming. He noticed this game had a terrible frame rate and there wasn't a lot of hit detection consistency, and from a competitive standpoint this pissed him off too much to bother with CQC. So he decided to become a sniper because it seemed like a less frustrating way to preserve KDR and make money as threats were limited in scope (hur hur, get it?). Once he had around 15-20 mil or so, he decided he wanted to experience more parts of the game outside of being a head glitching jerkoff. So he went from one extreme to another and jumped into a heavy suit with an HMG to get up close and personal. These suits were expensive, but then, if times were tough he could always fall back to sniping right? Well here's the thing kids. Times never got tough. I raped, pillaged and plundered fifty thousand corpses and I'll keep on going for another fifty thousand more. A while afterwards I got picked up by some reputable gentlemen who noticed there was a lone figure still standing at the end of the long trail of broken dreams and whiny adolescents. Then, when uprising came out, everything changed. My suits got cheaper. A lot cheaper. Suddenly I was allowed to die more than twice in a match and still make a profit. And that's how Himiko saved Christmas. Wait, what was this thread about?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3685	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:22:00 - [18] - Quote I'd just like to point out, for you thread derailing jackasses, that outer heaven and what the french were almost entirely inactive as a whole until this shenanigans prompted them to do something. In fact, many new names have surfaced that I've never seen before. The donut has given many of you a reason to fight. You should be thankful to DNS for bringing new and old talent, back to the surface.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3685	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:24:00 - [19] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Kaminoikari wrote: >All options begin with stupidity >DNS member making the thread DNS confirmed for stupidity. Hurp durp. Impossible. I run proto. That's cool, then don't worry about what everyone else is doing. It's important for Economy that loss happens. And it's important for me to know you suffered. Explain that first part. New Eden's economy runs on an isk-to-tear conversion table. For every amount of isk that is lost and/or stolen, a certain amount of tears are produced and inserted into the economy. Without these tears being readily available for consumption there is a severe shortage of motivation to work, play, converse, or engage in sexual activities. It is therefore imperative that you lose isk. Preferably to me.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3685	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:27:00 - [20] - Quote Like imagine playing monopoly but you refuse to ever buy property or something. You'd be like the worst person ever and I'd ban your ass from game night.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3685	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:28:00 - [21] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I expect to see some folks run it because they are new and have no choice, but there's a shockingly high number of people who never actually edit any of their fittings, regardless of how long they've played. Is this due to A) Stupidity and lack of knowledge that customization is possible? B) Stupidity and lack of awareness that better equipment improves your odds of winning? C) Stupidity and lack of balls concerning the fear of loss? D) Stupidity and WHY ARE YOU DRIVING AWAY LET ME IN YOUR TANK DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Are you really that stupid. Just because the player is new doesnt mean he sucks. Best gear doesnt mean youll mean, it makes you a fool. Yes I can tell from your signature you have a severe inferiority complex, that's ok. By the way, read the first line again where I already accounted for new players. I'm talking about the lazy ones.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3692	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:36:00 - [22] - Quote I was the under the impression that the point of the game was to win. Better equipment improves your odds of that, and hoarding isk seems to only be a means to an end. So realistically, it can be said that if you run cheap all the time you're really just being a horrible person.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3692	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:42:00 - [23] - Quote It would be much more convenient if I could stay bad and keep talking.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3695	Posted - 2014.04.28 00:53:00 - [24] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I was the under the impression that the point of the game was to win. Better equipment improves your odds of that, and hoarding isk seems to only be a means to an end. So realistically, it can be said that if you run cheap all the time you're really just being a horrible person. facepalm guys...dunno how to respond to this interesting logic.... Tell me how you really feel. Do you feel you have an obligation to try your best to win, within reason? Or are you of the mentality that you have no obligation to your team and everybody can go **** themselves?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3707	Posted - 2014.04.28 02:33:00 - [25] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I was the under the impression that the point of the game was to win. Better equipment improves your odds of that, and hoarding isk seems to only be a means to an end. So realistically, it can be said that if you run cheap all the time you're really just being a horrible person. facepalm guys...dunno how to respond to this interesting logic.... Tell me how you really feel. Do you feel you have an obligation to try your best to win, within reason? Or are you of the mentality that you have no obligation to your team and everybody can go **** themselves? Your a mercanary, your job is whatever younwant it to be. This holds no relevance to the gear used however. My Adv Minmatar Fit 2x Extenders 1x Energizer 1x Plate 1x Repper 1x BK-42 ACR 1x M1204 ASMG EHP: 480 Cost: 45,000 Isk My Frontline Amarr Fit 2x Extender 1x BK-42 ACR 1x M1204 ASMG EHP: 490 Cost 10,000 Isk This means on average I am permitted to loose just 5 Adv suits before going ISK negative, while I can loose 20 frontline suits and still be in tne black. Assuming an even match that comes down to about 5 clones left, you are looking at 9 deaths per person not accounting for snipers or logis who tip this scale. So if Im about to run into a Squad of stompers where Im likely to die 10+ times because Im 1 of 5 people not AFKing do I run the expensive suit with lower survivability or the cheap frontline? Also you still fail to account for fights either side where you don't see the person. Although I feel, your entire purpose was just to troll everyonr, in which thanks sucker, because my first statement is worth 20+ likes. I don't think you properly understand what it means to be a mercenary. They aren't supposed to be paying you to try and lose. If losing was the goal, they wouldn't be paying anybody anything. Also I think you are further confused as to how winning is achieved. Getting likes on the forum does not cause victory. See, nothing is popping up on the game telling you that you won because somebody liked your post. I do find it valuable information however, that most people seem to believe they will lose an average of 350k for running advanced suits. That's pretty poor player performance I have to say. If it's really true, I can only assume that standard equipment is indeed the only way for you guys to remain profitable. Kind of sad, but there it is I guess. I suppose the most logical thing to do would be to simply quit Dust altogether as there is clearly no hope of ever actually attaining good equipment and using it correctly for profit, let alone actually contributing to a win. You're really just letting everyone around you down, and that's not really acceptable if you have a conscience. You do have a conscience, right? Might be better off with Halo where all equipment is equal. That would be a lot less stressful and you might contribute more.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3707	Posted - 2014.04.28 02:45:00 - [26] - Quote I can't say I understand what you're talking about.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3707	Posted - 2014.04.28 02:52:00 - [27] - Quote I will always be there to remind people of their worthlessness. You can discourage the messenger, and you can even threaten or physically harm him. But you can never make a better canned treat than Chef Boyardee.